Open the Subtlety tree Subtlety is one of the three Rogue talent trees in WoW Forever, with 19 talents. 5 are new in Forever and 8 changed their values from Classic; 5 more only moved in the tree. Its last tier needs 30 points in Subtlety, so it opens at level 40 at the earliest. The spellbook files 12 trained spells under Subtlety.
Roles in Forever
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Detected from spell effects for the Subtlety Rogue talents and spells in game build 1.60.1.70707: taunt and threat effects, healing effects, and auras that add armour or resistance, defence, dodge, parry, block or absorb, or lower damage taken.
The Subtlety tree
19 Subtlety
0 pointsN marks a talent new in Forever, C a talent whose values changed from Classic. Hover, tap or focus a talent to read it.
New in Forever
Changed from Classic
When each tier opens
The earliest level, with every point in Subtlety: a tier needs the points shown, and points arrive at the levels the game sets. This is when, not what to take.
- Level 100 points: Camouflage, Master of Deception, Opportunity
- Level 155 points: Setup, Elusiveness, Dirty Tricks, Improved Ambush
- Level 2010 points: Initiative, Ghostly Strike, Improved Distract
- Level 2515 points: Heightened Senses, Premeditation, Serrated Blades
- Level 3020 points: Dirty Deeds, Preparation, Hemorrhage
- Level 3525 points: Quietus, Cutthroat
- Level 4030 points: Thousand Cuts
Subtlety spells
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Redirectfrom level 1 - Stealthfrom level 1, 4 ranks
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Pick Pocketfrom level 4 -
Sapfrom level 10, 3 ranks -
Distractfrom level 22 -
Vanishfrom level 22, 2 ranks -
Detect Trapsfrom level 24 -
Premeditationfrom level 25 · from a talent -
Disarm Trapfrom level 30 -
Hemorrhagefrom level 30 · from a talent -
Blindfrom level 34 -
Safe Fallfrom level 40
Best items by level
The highest scoring item you can wear in each slot at the level you pick; open a slot for its top 10. Score = each stat times its weight: Agility 1, Strength 0.5, Stamina 0.4, Attack Power 0.5, Crit Rating 0.6, Hit Rating 0.7, Melee weapon DPS 2.5. The weights are a starting point, not a simulation.
- ShirtNo stats to rank
- TabardNo stats to rank
Level 60 Human RogueSubtlety
62average item level
Main Hand
Dagger of Veiled Shadows
Binds when picked up
One-HandDagger
65 - 121 DamageSpeed 1.80
(51.7 damage per second)
+15 Agility
+7 Strength
Requires Level 60
Equip: +10 Hit rating
Item Level 70
Comes from a quest reward
Your set 100% of best in slot
Patch changes
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Setup will now only add combo points to your current target if they are the one you dodged or resisted a spell from.
From Blizzard's development notes of 1 October 2026. All patch notes
Subtlety questions
- How many talents does Subtlety Rogue have in WoW Forever?
- 19: 5 new in Forever, 8 changed in values from Classic, 6 as in Classic or only moved.
- What is the deepest Subtlety talent?
Thousand Cuts, after 30 points in Subtlety.- At what level can you reach the bottom of the Subtlety tree?
- Level 40, if every point from the first goes into Subtlety.
- Which Subtlety talents are new in Forever?
- Dirty Tricks, Improved Distract,
Quietus, 
Cutthroat and Thousand Cuts. - Which Subtlety spells are new in Forever?
- None in this build.
- What did the latest patch notes change for Subtlety?
- 1 line across 1 post: 0 buffs, 0 nerfs.